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Taxation Without Protection - k.d. - 06-18-2020 Tucker Carlson apparently has stated that “Taxation without protection is theft”. This proposition is a logical deduction from Hobbes’s theory that the prime function of the state and the reason for its existence is the safety of the citizens embraced by the social contract. Hobbes’s theory is well-formed, comprising a powerful set of premises and deductions as to why states exist. Indeed, leaders of states often say plainly that the security of their country and its people is their foremost concern, even if their actions create the opposite condition. Many citizens, implicitly accepting the Hobbes view, expect the state’s protection. Hobbes also contemplated the dissolution of a state and a return to a state of nature when the sovereign’s actions went directly against the protection it was supposed to be providing. (1) In such a case, what Carlson said applies, and it is an application of Hobbes’s theory. If there is no protection delivered by the state and if it’s supplanted by conditions that actually threaten the people supposedly being protected, then the taxes are not only to no beneficial effect but also are actively destructive. In this case, one of taxation without protection, the taxes are theft, assuming that there are no other compensating benefits of the state. Carlson’s statement is directed squarely at all those government officials who misconceive their offices, powers and responsibilities by not providing the protection against rioters, vandals, insurrectionists, looters and other assorted criminals that taxpayers have a right to expect, under the Hobbesian theory. Their failures turn the taxes they have collected largely into theft. (1) “The obligation of subjects to the sovereign is understood to last as long, and no longer, than the power lasteth by which he is able to protect them” (Leviathan XXI, 144). Cited in Quentin P. Taylor “Leviathan Bound; or the Re-education of Thomas Hobbes”, which appears in Hobbes Studies 22 (2009) 123–143. Taylor explains. “A sovereign who cannot protect the life, liberty, and property of his subjects is simply not a sovereign. This was the principal justification given by the American colonists, who in repudiating the authority of King and Parliament, claimed to have returned to a ‘state of nature.'” Michael Rozeff RE: Taxation Without Protection - j.p. - 06-18-2020 Sounds like rationalization for a police state. So we don't need the second amendment anymore RE: Taxation Without Protection - k.d. - 06-18-2020 Yeah, that's what this is about. RE: Taxation Without Protection - j.p. - 06-18-2020 It's either about a mega expansion of the police and military. Or a diversion of resources to people who look and talk like him. Gee. Can the military and police get any bigger ? RE: Taxation Without Protection - k.d. - 06-18-2020 That's what you got out of this? RE: Taxation Without Protection - j.p. - 06-18-2020 In a nutshell RE: Taxation Without Protection - k.d. - 06-18-2020 It's plain as day you've never read the Declaration of Independence. RE: Taxation Without Protection - j.p. - 06-18-2020 This has nothing to do with the Declaration of Independence. And you know it. It was just dog whistles to the gullible to call for more state violence RE: Taxation Without Protection - k.d. - 06-18-2020 Quote:This proposition is a logical deduction from Hobbes’s theory that the prime function of the state and the reason for its existence is the safety of the citizens embraced by the social contract. Quote:https://www.britannica.com/biography/Thomas-Hobbes Quote:From DOIWhen the king wouldn't protect his subjects (British citizens) from danger, it was a cause for rebellion. If you are dumb enough to think that Hobbes, Jefferson, and the rest were in favor of a totalitarian police state and that is what Carlson is talking about you are simply out of your fucking mind. It most certainly about protecting the citizens against you and your cretin friends the looters, the rioters, the arsonists and antifa from the anarchy, chaos, and savage behavior tearing the country apart. It is a question of why pay taxes if the protection guaranteed by the social contract is not being upheld. RE: Taxation Without Protection - j.p. - 06-18-2020 (06-18-2020, 05:19 PM)k.d. Wrote:Hobbes, Jefferson no. Carlson, Roseff yesQuote:This proposition is a logical deduction from Hobbes’s theory that the prime function of the state and the reason for its existence is the safety of the citizens embraced by the social contract.Quote:https://www.britannica.com/biography/Thomas-Hobbes |